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Oct 15, 2009 11:27 AM

Free visECAD Viewer now available

Please find a link to the free visECAD viewer below. This is available on Mentor.com for anyone who needs to view CCZ files produced by later versions of Expedition, DxDesigner, PADS Layout and CAMCAD regardless of whether they are existing Mentor customers or not. Details of the functionality of the free viewer compared to the paid versions is provided on the landing page. There are flash videos available showing the free viewer capability along with the purchased versions.
This is a full, licensed, install of visECAD. Once the license request is submitted, a Flexlm license, valid for 12 months will be automatically emailed to the submitter, though it can be renewed. The user will submit their MAC ID which will automatically create an email with a link to the install along with their license file and instructions on how to configure it. Each copy requires its own license to run, but does not require the Flexlm Server to be installed.
There is a link on the landing page to request quotations, to purchase the paid version or an evaluation of the paid viewer.
If you have any questions on the free visECAD Viewer, please respond to this Discussion.
Thanks
Mark Laing
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yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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Oct 16, 2009 5:41 AM in response to: mark_laing
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Mark,

 

This is a good news to me. We are need a solution to make all non-engineering teams view the design. I will try this free solution next month. It's better to make the free visECAD support the crossprobing between the schematics and the layout.

 

Yanfeng

Paul_N Contributor 19 posts since
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Oct 19, 2009 3:58 AM in response to: mark_laing
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Our engineers got excited... a few minutes after we discover we can not do crossprobing or even open the schematics and PCB at the same time.

 

Then what is the point?

 

We can open PDF schematics and use the EE free PCB wiever and get equivalent if not more functionality.

 

If you realy like to promote ccz format you should consider adding crossprobing capabilities to the free version and let collaboration and advanced features for the non free one.

yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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Oct 19, 2009 4:26 AM in response to: Paul_N
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IVisECAD isn't free, Only Mentor provide user to try it 12 months without payment before they decide to buy it, and it be desinged to make the crossprobing disable for the evaluation version of visECAD.

 

visECAD competes with PTC's Intercomm Expert ,which now is a dead product.

Yanfeng

Paul_N Contributor 19 posts since
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Oct 19, 2009 4:47 AM in response to: yu.yanfeng
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I know is not free, but main point is competitors are offering free schematics/pcb viewers with full capabilities and everybody is acustomed to that (Altium et al) and when we provide our designs to third parties first question always is: where is the free schematics/viewer like xx company to visualize design?

 

Answer is always the same and unfortunately (we now what will be the result in advance) when you provide the free EE PCB viewer, outcome is always the same: This viewer is very complicated and not user friendly, how to crossprobe with schematic?... do you have onother way?

 

When I saw announcement I got excited to finally resolve this common issue, but unfortunately outcome is not OK until Mentor will realize the real need for a free easy to use (as visECAD) tool for third party companies* not willing to spend a dollar when other companies provide that for free

 

*We can justify visECAD licenses here but not at PCB, assembly houses and other external parties.

yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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Oct 19, 2009 5:36 AM in response to: Paul_N
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In manufacturing field, there are more  to viewing layout and schematic, most of thier requirement are DFX verificaiton, BOM check, Testpoint assingment, Assembly Documentation and Pickup and AOI data. I don't think a free viewer for schematics and layout  can satisfy them. And I don't think Assembly have strong need for the crossprobing between schematics and layout(Testing  may need this capability).

 

I don't think EDA vendors are wiling to provide free viewing tool having all capability user wished without finicial incentives.

 

Yanfeng

yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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Mar 24, 2011 7:10 AM in response to: mark_laing
Re: Free visECAD Viewer now available

Hi Mark,

 

Recently,  I visited one of my friends, who have CAMCAD . We did a test for translating ODB++ databases to CC files. One issue is raised, CAMCAD can't

correctly consolidation gemoetries(.Consolidate_Geometry  Y), so visECAD will display mutlple gemoetries to one gemoetry. Below is a example, SMDCAP now have two geometries:SMDCAP and SMDCAP- 7 even this is a very simple design.  This issue also make the comparison result be less meanful.

 

1.jpg

I have checked cc files, it seems it's a resolution issue for CAMCAD whiling it reads in ODB++ data from Allegro. The description to the geometry like this:

placeBottom="0"         <Insert entityNum="1688" layer="-1" graphicClass="0" insertType="2" refName="2" geomNum="73" x="0.095" y="2e-016" angle="0"

 

I also use CAMCAD to translate ODB++ data from Expeditionpcb, there is no this type of issue althoug the ODB++ data from Expeditionpcb have other bug(metric-unit issue).

 

Would you notice this symptom and what action user can do to consolidate the geometry?

 

 

Yanfeng

yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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Mar 24, 2011 6:56 PM in response to: mark_laing
Re: Free visECAD Viewer now available

Hi Mark,

Much thanks for speedy anwser. My friend has confirmed that it's CCASM v1 update3,the verison number is "4.8.038.030 ". I and he tried to use "P" switch, but result is that there are many gemotries generatered to one type of CAD gemotry. I attached a odb++ database from Allegro, would you like help me to verify this symtom? the password for unzip I will send seperately.

 

Yanfeng

yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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Mar 24, 2011 7:00 PM in response to: yu.yanfeng
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sorry. I have to attache another odb++ data.

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yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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Mar 25, 2011 5:32 PM in response to: mark_laing
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Much thanks!  I am looking forward to it.

Additionally, I introduced free visECAD to our collegues in assembly lines, they told me it's important to visulize 3D PBA, they asked is it possible to display 3D in visECAD?  In my opinion, it's better that visECAD have a 3D visulization feature if hooking up with VPL packages.

Yanfeng

yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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Mar 28, 2011 7:57 PM in response to: mark_laing
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Hi Mark,

I understand there are other 3D visulizer to EDA data, for Vplan's  DirectX  viewer or Expeditionpcb's 3D viewer.  I think visECAD user  will welcom thjat visECAD have a built-in DirectX Viewer(a Microsoft technology.

My opinion is 2 cents.

Yanfeng

yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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Mar 28, 2011 2:13 AM in response to: mark_laing
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Mark,

I visited my friend again to confirm this symptom. He and me have verified ODB++ output 68 Allegro designs(43 using ODB++ inside 8.2, 25 using ODB++ inside 9.1). We found every have duplicated package geometries after reading to CAMCAD (4.8.038.30). We also translated 21 Allegro designs to Expedition PCB database and outputed the odb databases, there is no duplicatated geometries after reading to CAMCAD.

 

Yanfeng

yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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Mar 28, 2011 4:49 AM in response to: yu.yanfeng
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I have touched my freind and let himto import Allegro extracted files(sym.tx,rte.txt,pad.txt,board.txt), he tole me that he tested 9 Allegro design and no one have duplicated gemotries after import those extacted files into CAMCAD. He also told me all will duplicated gemotries if he writes IODB++ from CAMCAD to these 9 design and import it back to CAMCAD.

Yanfeng

yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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Mar 28, 2011 10:05 PM in response to: mark_laing
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Hi Mark,

I drived to my freind's company to get the screenshot.

This is the screenshot for reading extracte files(sym,brd,pad,rte).

extract.JPG

In Allegro database, There are 0603D and 0603D-2 gemotries and they have different SMD padstacks. CAMCAD read these extracted Allegro files well,no gemotry missed and no additional geometry generated. This is ok

 

Below is the screenshout for reading ODB++ data which outputed from Allegro using ODB++ inside. We saw many new gemotry names in CAMCAD and all not be in original Allegro database

 

odb.JPG

Yanfeng

yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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Nov 12, 2009 5:00 AM in response to: mark_laing
Re: Free visECAD Viewer now available

Hi Mark,

After a week usage of visECAD, I have to say the tool is too far to use it in production environment.

Yanfeng

yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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Nov 13, 2009 5:20 AM in response to: mark_laing
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Hi Mark,

Not functions missed,  just the performance for the zooming and panning. When you try to load a real design, you will find tool slow even on a 2.0 GHz Xeon box with 2G memory..

Yanfeng

yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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Nov 13, 2009 3:34 PM in response to: mark_laing
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Hi Mark,

 

I have verified the performace on multiple boxes with different CPU/GPU/Memory configuration and tested hundreds of designs. I don't see current visECAD can bring any advantages to the corp compared to free PCB Browser. It's not pratical to update  pcs used by non-engineering groups.

 

Even you use the deluxe box, VisECAD still be weak in the zooming/panning.

 

Yanfeng

rick.truza Contributor 6 posts since
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Nov 12, 2009 9:23 AM in response to: mark_laing
Re: Free visECAD Viewer now available

Mark how can we enable a floating site based licenses for companies who want to provide the Free VisECAD viewer as part of a deliverable from their ISS department?

They do not want multiple people getting random licenseing or having to go to each machine and request access.


Thank you,

 

Rick Truza

jeff.heidel Active 71 posts since
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Nov 12, 2009 1:22 PM in response to: mark_laing
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Hi Mark,

I see a lot of potenial in this viewer and we are actually looking at adding the Collaboration Suite to our license mix next year.  I do have one question about an issue I am seeing.  I have a design that has blind vias and we I look at the top view of the board, I see no pad for these vias.  I can turn on the drill view for these, but i can't seem to be able to turn on the pad.  The normal vias come through just fine.  I haven't played with the tool much, so it is probably just something I have over looked in the settings.

 

Thanks,

Jeff

akira_shimizu Lurker 2 posts since
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Oct 6, 2010 7:55 PM in response to: mark_laing
Re: Free visECAD Viewer now available

I downloaded the "Free visECAD" recently and installed with the nodelocked license file emailed to me.

The machine I installed, there is another software from Mentor and there is already a MGLS_LICENSE_FILE

environemnt pointing to license server machine (in the intranet).

Now I realized that the "Free visECAD" grab the license (feature)

  * wgview (vendor: mgcld)

  * wgreport (vendor: mgcld)

 

My intention using this "Free visECAD" to see (browse) the schematics and PCB is, to avoid consuming

the any "Licenses". Actually, I don't know about licenses above but I don't want to grab

the license(s) in license server while "viewing" the designs (schematics and PCBs).

 

My question is; is the operation of "Free visECAD" above (grabbing some licensed from server) expected?

Is there ways to avoid grabbing any license from the license server?

 

Akira

akira_shimizu Lurker 2 posts since
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Oct 7, 2010 4:59 PM in response to: mark_laing
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Hi Mark,

 

Thanks for your respose. Still I don't understand why "visECAD free version" need to check out the

wgview/wgreport licenses.

But I understand the visECAD has no way to control such behavior on the client side (not the license server side).

I tried to "plug off" the LAN connection, to inhibit the server access, and I see the visECAD free version can work

for me. What the "wgview/wgreport" license for (in case of free version of visECAD), and what effect we (free version of visECADs)

eat up all licenses on the server?  Free version of visECAD no longer can run without "wgview/wgreport" licenses?

 

Access control by the license server is almost impossible to me. Typically we hav no priviledge to configure the server

for such purpose. And the license server may work as servers for other tools (such as FPGA developments).

The machine I installed need the "licenses" from the server for such tools but I want run "free version of visECAD"

without consuming the licenses.

 

For free version of visECAD, it is noted that the license type is "node lock" and we are installing the license strings

on the machine so the "free version of visECAD" should never access to "servers" in the environment variables

even LM_LICENSE_FILE or MGLS_LICENSE_FILE is defined.

 

If you have another way that can be done on the "client machine side", please let me know.

 

Thanks,

 

Akira

kolobok-s Lurker 1 posts since
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May 11, 2011 3:47 PM in response to: mark_laing
Re: Free visECAD Viewer now available

Hi all. I wonder if I can open ccz file with visECAD. The thing is that visECAD tells me:

"Old versions of .cc files is not supported"

Can you help me to troubleshot this issue?

lalit_kumar05 Lurker 1 posts since
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May 31, 2011 12:24 AM in response to: mark_laing
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Hi Mark,

 

I have installed visECAD viewer in my PC and has put the license file attached in the sent mail from pcb_info@mentor.com as it is in C:\MentorGraphics\visECAD folder. Same is updated in Environment variables as suggested in the e-mail. But still when I open visECAD, it asks "Contact Mentor Graphics Corporation for visECAD License" and the viewer doesn't open. I have registered second time and received a new license file, but still same issue.

 

With regards

Lalit Kumar

joachim.grimmeissen Contributor 4 posts since
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May 24, 2012 5:35 AM in response to: mark_laing
Re: Free visECAD Viewer now available

I want to use the free visecad viewer together with pads layout.
How can i start the crossprobing between visecad viewer and pads layout?

 

Joachim

yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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May 24, 2012 7:30 AM in response to: mark_laing
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Hi Mark,

We hope VisECAD support Chinese Menu Text, support to create view for coloring net(currently only support to create view for coloring componnet), improve graphics performance, support  to view ODB++ data or has a built-in translor for. Also,  I have obersverd  visECAD has a slow response for clicking menu icon.

 

Yanfeng

joachim.grimmeissen Contributor 4 posts since
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May 24, 2012 9:31 PM in response to: mark_laing
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Hi Mark,

 

when i use the Automation Connect Button i get a error message.

NoServerFountToConnect.jpg

 

Joachim

yu.yanfeng EDA JEDI 1,206 posts since
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May 25, 2012 3:41 PM in response to: joachim.grimmeissen
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Did your invoke Pads and load the design?

Yanfeng

pahel Lurker 3 posts since
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Apr 18, 2013 3:39 PM in response to: mark_laing
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Mark,

     I have been sent a board file with a *.ccz file extension.  After investigating on the web, I realized that I need a CAMCAD board reader for this file.  So, I downloaded visECAD v2.5.  I followed the instructions to the letter.  However, when I invoke visECAD v2.5, I get the dialog box in the file visECADpop.  It is a jpg and the file extension needs to be added.  I have placed the license file in the path 'C:\WorkingData\tundra\visECAD_ESDM'.  I have placed the file twice in this subdirectory.  The first name is tom.txt and the second name for the same file is '08CA7B5B-E697-2F03-69EB63C222E1BCF3.txt', which is exactly is the name given in the email from Mentor Graphics.  This is the license file given to me by Mentor Graphics.

 

The environmental variable MGLS_LICENSE_FILE already exists.  We are a Cadence shop and so this variable points to a license server.  However, I redirect this variable to point to the path 'C:\WorkingData\tundra\visECAD_ESDM\tom.txt'.  But, when I invoke visECAD v2.5, the below pop up dialog occurs.  The pop up dialog has only the text 'Contact Mentor Graphics Corporation for a visECAD License'.  That is all it says.  So, I redefined the variable MGLS_LICENSE_FILE to have the value 'C:\WorkingData\tundra\visECAD_ESDM\08CA7B5B-E697-2F03-69EB63C222E1BCF3.txt'.  The same failure occurs.

 

Could you help me, please?  I have a critical need to look at the product's layout for product development and, eventually, shipment.

 

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pahel Lurker 3 posts since
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Apr 18, 2013 4:17 PM in response to: mark_laing
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You discovered the problem.  The MAC address in the license file is 'HOSTID=00c0a8f1798f' and the mac address of my active port is 00 24 7e 69 31 d0.  You just made me aware of two problems.  One is the MAC address in the file and of the active port are different, which is the problem.  The second problem is that when I am in the lab, I use my wireless port and a different MAC address, of course, is associate with that interface.

 

My recourse is to download the viewer with the associated license file again. In other words, go through the process again, but, in this effort, I must make sure that I submit the wireless MAC address, instead of the wired MAC address. 

 

You gave me a direction to go and I am very pleasantly surprised by your quick response.  Thank you very much.

pahel Lurker 3 posts since
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Apr 18, 2013 4:37 PM in response to: mark_laing
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The viewer is working.  I successfully opened up the *.ccz file and it

looks good.  Thank you very much.

 

Regards,

 

Thomas D. Pahel, Jr.

 

BladeCenter Development

pahel@us.ibm.com

(919) 254 4410

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