Scout numbers sheets differently in EE2007 than it does in ePD2005.

Discussion created by avjohn on Feb 4, 2010
Latest reply on Feb 15, 2010 by avjohn

Scout numbers sheets differently in EE2007 than it does in ePD2005.   Flat designs are not a problem, it's the hierarchial designs where this  is an issue.


This isn't so much a problem on new designs, the  problem occurs when we do an ECO.  From my understanding, the sheet  numbers should not change when we do an ECO.  We usally use the  Page-number file to control this, especially for our old legacy library  designs.  One issue is that the EE2007 version of Scout doesn't reuse  the attributes/properties that were used by the ePD2005 version of  Scout.  In the program that we've written to prepare an ePD2005 design  for EE2007, I go through the sch files and remove all of the properties  that were added by the ePD2005 version of Scout.  When the user migrates  the design, all of the Scout properties are gone from the design and  the user is required to re-run Scout to re-populate the properties.   Because the algorithm that determine how the sheets were numbered was  changed, the sheet numbers will have changed.  Now the user will have to  look at the ePD2005 design's PDF file to determine the sheet numbers,  build a Page-number file and rerun scout.  On a large hierarchical  design, this could take at least couple of hours to fix and is non-value  added work.


We figure that about 10 percent of our designs are  hierarchical although this number is growing.  We do approximately 8000  ECO's a year.  If 800 of them are hierarchial, as we transition to  EE2007 and migrate the designs, we will have done at least 1600 hours of  non-value added work.  It'll probably take us 5 years to transition all  our designs to EE2007.  that's 8000 hours of non-value added work.  At  $75/hour for a PCB designer doing the ECO, Mentor will make our company  incur $600,000 of non-value added work over the transition period.  All  because Mentor decided to change the algorithm that Scout uses to number  sheets.  How many other companies are having to go through this effort? 


This points to an ongoing problem with the SDD engineering  groups. From this customer's perception, they have no clue, nor do they  care how customers are using their products.  Until that problem is  addressed, we are still going to encounter these types of issues and  continue to do non-value added work by both the customer and Mentor to  resolve them.