12 Replies Latest reply on Mar 18, 2014 8:49 PM by parth.sutariya

    About the Non Electrical Parts

    lariy2006

      Excuse me, what is the Non Electrical Parts in PADS? How to creat? What are the uses?Thanks!

        • 1. Re: About the Non Electrical Parts
          jduquette

          Good question.  I've been a PADS user for many, many years and I've never used them.

          • 2. Re: About the Non Electrical Parts
            jduquette

            But now I'm curous...

             

            PADS Logic says "non electrical parts -  Parts with no pins. For example, a mounting screw shown in the schematic for inventory tracking in the bill of materials."

             

            PADS Layout says "ECO Registered Parts -  Allows a part to be passed between the design and schematic file for  forward and backward annotation. By default, all existing part types in  your design are ECO registered.

             

            Tip: Typically you do not  select this check box for non-electrical parts. For example, if you  create and add a mounting hole to your design in the layout software,  you would not need the part (mounting hole) to pass back to your  schematic when you perform a backward annotation of the design." - Side note, unless you want the mounting hole connected to a net, such as Chassis GND

             

             

            So if something has the 'ECO Registered part' unchecked in the Part Information dialog box (in the Part Editor) does that make it non-electrical?

            • 3. Re: About the Non Electrical Parts
              lariy2006

              In the PADS Logic, the non electrical parts are different from the ECO Registered Parts.

              But I don't know the uses of the non electrical parts. I can set up these to the ECO Registered Parts for the uses of the annotation.

              In addition , I konw how to creat the ECO Registered Parts, but don't know how to creat the non electrical parts.

              Can the non electrical parts is useless? I don't think so.

              • 4. Re: About the Non Electrical Parts
                jduquette

                So Mentor, any insight on this, or do I need a Service Request?

                 

                This looks like it would be very handy for components that need mounting hardware, such as screws or a spacer.  Can I get it to match the reference designator?  So if I had a connector that needed to screw onto the board, how would I use non-electrical parts to get a BOM like this:

                 

                Q   RefDes    Part

                1    J1             Connector

                2   J1M           Mounting screws

                 

                Thanks,

                • 5. Re: About the Non Electrical Parts
                  lariy2006

                  Thanks for your answer.  I understand what are the non electrical parts on account of  your answer. And I do something later, definite answer is the parts created by the 2D lines only[CAE and DECAL].

                  Thank you very much!

                  • 6. Re: About the Non Electrical Parts
                    parth.sutariya

                    Hello All ,

                     

                    I still have the same question whether how to create a Non electrical part ?

                     

                    Definetly I know what non electrical part is but creating that part is a confusion ?

                     

                    We can create Non - ECO registered part and set rules as required in its options .

                     

                    But there is no such option for creating Non electrical part in Part Information dialog box .

                     

                    We definetly have option for Non electrical part in tools ---> option ..

                     

                    So please assist whether how to create a non electrical part ?

                     

                     

                     

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                    Best Regards ,

                    Parth Sutariya

                    Hardware CAD Engineer

                    MATRIX COMSEC

                    Vadodara , Gujarat

                    INDIA

                    • 7. Re: About the Non Electrical Parts
                      kabaleeswaran.K.R

                      Hi sutariya,

                      if you need to create non electrical,create as Decal (Footprint),after creating you have add by ECO off method

                      • 8. Re: About the Non Electrical Parts
                        parth.sutariya

                        Hi ,

                         

                        You mean to say that just untick ' ECO registered ' check box while linking the PCB Decal in part information dialog box in Pads Logic .

                        Am I right ?

                         

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                        Best Regards ,
                        Parth Sutariya
                        Hardware CAD Engineer
                        MATRIX COMSEC
                        Vadodara , Gujarat
                        INDIA

                        • 9. Re: About the Non Electrical Parts
                          kabaleeswaran.K.R

                          hi,

                          No need to assign the parts in Pads Logic, you can add the decal in layout using ECO

                          • 10. Re: About the Non Electrical Parts
                            parth.sutariya

                            Hi ,

                             

                            Thanks for the suggestion .

                             

                            Actually we need the part to be included in BOM information .Its PCB Decal is not required .

                             

                            It is just to be included in PADS Logic so as to get its information in BOM .

                             

                            So I just wanted to clarify confusion between Non ECO registered part & Non Electrical part .

                             

                            I guess the method you mentioned in your reply was for Non Electrical part. Am I right ?

                             

                            But for the purpose which I need , which one you suggest to go for ?

                            • 11. Re: About the Non Electrical Parts
                              jduquette

                              In the part editor when you have the 'edit electrical' dialog up the help button gives a pretty good summary:

                               

                              ECO Registered Part

                               

                              Allows a part to be passed between the design and schematic file for  forward and backward annotation. By default, all existing part types in  your design are ECO registered.

                               

                              Tip: Typically you do not select this check  box for non-electrical parts. For example, if you create and add a  mounting hole to your design in the layout software, you would not need  the part (mounting hole) to pass back to your schematic when you perform  a backward annotation of the design.

                               

                               

                              So if you want a part to sync between Logic and Layout it must be ECO registered (i.e. something on the BOM and on the PCB layout).

                               

                              Non-electrical parts are typically only on the layout.

                              • 12. Re: About the Non Electrical Parts
                                parth.sutariya

                                Hi ,

                                 

                                Thanks for the info.

                                 

                                That cleared some confusion between Non Electrical & Non ECO registered parts .

                                 

                                So its now clear that I should choose for Non ECO Registered part as I want just attribute information in BOM with no PCB Decal assigned to that part .